WARNING: UBER WORDY.
Well, came across some comments, find this funny.. xD
No.11573 J. Zhou Temasek Polytechnic
YAH LOR PAY SO MUCH YOU THINK WE VERY RICH AH? YOU KNOW IF YOU CHARGE US WITH JC STUDENTS' PRICE, I CAN SAVE $1.40 A DAY. $1.40 A DAY CAN BUY A CUP OF DRINK OR A PACKET OF TWISTIES OKAY? SO JC PEOPLE CAN EAT TWISTIES WE CANNOT EAT TWISTIES IS IT YOU TELL ME? AND WHENEVER I TAKE BUS WITH MY JC FRIENDS AND TAP OUR CARDS, THEIRS GO "DUDU" AND MINE GOES "DEE" AND ALL OF THEM WILL LAUGH AT ME. I DON'T LIKE IT.
[Sidenote: If we buy concession our cards also go dudu.] xD
No.1181 KOH LI LIEN NYP
it's about time that someone came up with a petition! no fair for the JC kids to pay KIDDY fare as in comparison to us paying adult fare!
[LOL! Kiddy D:]
No.1179 angela ngee ann poly
of coz we should enjoy e student rate like e jc's n ite's students.does it mean tat not wearin sch u means we r not students??NO!!poly sch fees is already MUCH MUCH higher thn jc.so, y should we pay adult fare 2 add on 2 our burden??does it mean not wearing sch U=not student??
[True]
No.1148 Jason NP
I think its time the government define us as students and not adults- Thats the difference between a poly student and a jc student. We are what we are, students, perhaps of older age generally, but nevertheless students. However, we must also accept we cannot pay 45 cents per ride, but we have to be willing to seek a compromise if we are serious about this move. Perhaps a flat rate of 80 cents will be ideal, and the lowering of the bus stamp fees. I hope that someone prints this petition out and forwards it to Mr Lee. Hsieng Loong, because just about no one in the government will bother reading this. Just paste the URL to him and email him.
[I seriously hope the mail doesn't end up in junk, or worse, get filtered out altogether. D: But good suggestion I suppose.. xD]
No.1208 Desmond Ngee Ann Polytechnic
We pay more school fees than JC students. Why are we paying more bus fares than them as well? Its time the government review the fare system, this price discrimination is just too much for alot of Poly students to bear as many of us have to work part time just to cope with the daily expenses and most importantly, high school fees of around $2050 per academic year. Pupils at the junior college level pay subsidised school fees of $6.00 as well as miscellaneous fees. The standard amount for miscellaneous fees is $9.00 and the 2nd-tier (cap) miscellaneous fees is $9.00. Can any authority see the difference????
[I suppose they can't see the difference. If they can, we wouldn't need to sign this petition.. (: ]
No. 1348 Lin Yuan Xiao Pionner Junior College
Even though i am a JC student, i wanted to sign this petition long ago. This is extremely unfair to those of same age as us.
[I agree, tts why I posted on prev prev post tt everyone who agrees with this petition should sign it! :D]
No.1602 Brain Dead Ngee Ann Poly
Thanks for the double standard, the JC students pay so much lesser compared to the poly chaps out there. Lesser school fees, transport fees any fees you can think of, JC students gets the cake. Poly chaps gets nothing in return, simply because we are not of GOVERNMENT interest, because we are not labelled as SCHOLARS-TO-BE. Thanks for all the double standard once again. Im just brain dead and cant think @ the moment hence the ranting. Dont SUE ME PLEASE! I will VOTE FOR PAP!
[Yeap, double standards. Anyways, why do they charge us ADULT fare in the 1st place. In Singapore, Adults are 21 years and above.. Hmm... ]
No.1738 Derek Lee Temasek Poly
If SBS and SMRT say that we gotta wear school uniform in order to pay 45cents for the bus ride. Then, forget it pls. 10 years of looking like dumbass is enough for us.
[HAHA. I put that 13 years (nursery and kindergarten) and I think 15 years for the kids nowadays who go to baby school at like 1 or 2 years old]
No.2021 Darren Wong Ngee Ann
Do the SMRT need brains in their top management?would u believe that they acutally replied to an appeal that we have to pay adult charges so the adults dont have to pay that much.Ngee Ann is god damn far from my home.It is HIGHLY inacessble.now lets not say bout JCs..there are many accessible ones.THINK SMRT THINK
[It is precisely that they can't think therefore they need this petition to wake them up. Well, the pattern is always like this: Inherent problem that people ignore, something bad happens, then take action. Watch the news or read the papers and you'll know how our goody government functions. :D]
No.1948 You Guys Are Dumb ...
No wonder they say poly kias are stupid, a pention from poly students to "Petition to Students of Polytechnics in Singapore."
No.2000 YuQing Ngeeann
is [refers to the above] dumb or what. "pention" a word which doesnt exist, besides many poly students are capable of entering JCs. Nothing to feel all high and mighty about. This petition is to let everyone know of the situation. Of course more direct actions have been taken. His language must've been a C6 to have come up with a new word and not understanding the topic.
[The below have their names put to show it clearly as it is almost a forum rather than a petition there.]
No.2218 JW NUS
so u mean all undergrads are not motivated to go to uni as well? did u realise that poly grads will start work in society much earlier than JC grads? Did u not realise that JC students will also need to go to university if not the A lvl cert is pretty much useless? Did u realise that poly time table is much more flexible, allowing poly students more chances to work part time? Why not go to ITE then? They have student rates as well
[He has a point, the point about the useless A lvl cert unless they go uni. BUT, our timetable isn't as flexible as he think. He never go poly so dunno ma, can't blame.]
No.2176 aileen tan jurong jc
illogical.. it's like a child been charged an adult price for a buffet just because he's with his parents.. makes zero sense. *yawns*
[the relation is quite interesting... buffet.. ]
No. 2168 brandon chng sp
official reply from transitlink: Please allow us to share that student travel concession is grouped under three categories: Primary, Secondary and Tertiary. The eligibility for student travel concession on public buses and trains is not pegged solely to the students age. It also depends on the level of academic pursuit and the instituitions on enrolment. Polytechnics and universities are officially grouped as tertiary instituitions, whereas junior colleges operate similarly to secondary schools and are grouped under the secondary-school category. Tertiary student ez-link cardholders can enjoy concession privileges through the use of monthly concession passes such as the Bus Concession Pass, the Train Concession Pass and the Hybrid Concession Pass. As all concessionary fares in Singapore are cross-subsidised by full-fare paying commuters, we have to be prudent about extending any travel concession beyond the present arrangement, as this may ultimately come to bear more heavily on full-fare paying commuters.
[Someone posted this. I'm sure we would go "yea yea wadeva, we just wan fair treatment]
No. 2135 Goh Henry Temasek Polytechnic
I fully agree with what the petition says and i can verify that i stay in AMK and my cost of just going to and fro school needs around 4 bucks per day. My school hours is 31hrs/wk which morning till late evening which causes me unable to work my own income. Sometimes i do face difficulties just to pay of the transport fee of going to school. Having to pay a lump sum of 52 bucks for bus stamp. How about the travelling of SMRT? If you are unable to pay the lump sum of 52 dollars, it will be 4bucks/day+20schdays/month=80. Further more i want add that WE ARE STUDENT AND WE DONT EARN SOMETIMES! WHY WE ARE TREATED TO PAY LIKE AN ADULT NOT JUST IN BUS FARE BUT ALSO IN POLYCLINIC!
[Ohh, so we're also need to pay adult fee for polyclinic too? I din noe tt... D: Anw this is quite true.]
No.2343 Ong Wee Chian Ngee Ann Poly
NB, the school fess in poly is much more higher than JC and ITE liao. And NB again, the government also want us to pay adult fares. NB for the third time, the government thought that my father is Bill Gates is it?
[Pros! ownage I must say! xD]
No.2754 Heriyadi Ngee Ann Poly
the bus fair is DAMN HIGH and every month we are spending about more than 50 bucks for the bus concession. i think is not fair loh. some more we are FULL-TIME students, we ARE NOT HALF STUDYING AND WORKING AT THE SAME TIME. PLS DON ASSUME THAT ALL POLY STUDENTS HAVE A JOB. THANKS
[Very True]
No.2785 daryl ngee ann poly
hey to jw from nus i hope u do realise that this petition has got absolutely nothing to do with you. so what if u came from a jc the almighty JC no one here gives a hoot! dun comment for the sake of commenting and your case about uniforms is bogus. if u havent realised uniforms are no big fuss if you get what i mean. uniforms do not restrict a student from doing anything at all, don't tell me you have not seen jc students in orchard or loitering out of school. true you have rules but it's not like you follow them so please refrain from using this really bad example on a fair trade about give and take
No.2838 JW NUS
hi there daryl from from ngee ann poly, u seem very upset about my comments. if i offend u in anyway, i apologise, i was juz trying to make u see the arguement in a more mature way. Let it not be said that Poly students are not mature enough to think about the entire system but to think only for themselves, im also a student like u and i also feel the strain of the transportation fees but the way that it is done by the transportation company has its rationale. No doubt i agree that transportation fees are high, it seems that u are extremely biased against JC students.
[Anyways I think the person's name is called jiaowei xDDDD]
No.2848 Yeo Kai Xiang
JW from NUS. You have aready been through that stage. And for you to get into NUS, as most of us know, you are most probably from a JC that's why you can get into NUS. Yes, we are tertiary student. But i can dare say that almost all of us are not working like the students from JC. And i would like to emphasize the point that majority of us are of the same age. Take a look at the JC students and the Poly students, i can dare say that the JC students need not worry about their school fees. Whereas for Poly students, some of us are from lower income family and have to work and study at the same time just to pay off our school fees, which can go up to more then S$1000 for local students, the foreign students need to pay much more for the fees and what about their daily expenses? And how about the compulsory laptops that we have to buy, when JC students can just borrow or loan from the school.
No.2851 JW NUS
hello kai xiang, yes i have been thru that stage. to tell u this i also have a younger brother who is is SP now. you talked about laptops, i have to remind u that laptops are only compulsary for Ngee ann students pls do not make it look like all poly students have to buy laptops. in fact my brother uses the Coms available in SP as and when he needs. You complain about more expensive school fees in poly. are u not aware of the fact that there are loans available for needy students. in fact i had a friend who graduated from SP studying on a loan. let not the cost of education be an issue in this argument. Pls approach your welfare officer in NP if you have difficulties in paying the school fees and im sure he will direct u to a bank loan. Besides 3 years of poly studies come to about 6K if im not wrong. by paying. assume that the interest rate is 3% pa. if you graduate and pay for the loan over 2 years, it come to approximately 250 SGD a mth.POly grads get a pay of ~ $1700+ which can dfinitely pay the loan
And pls, i know of a lot of poly students in my faculty =)
No.2856 Chen Xin Yi Sp
hey .de whole time we been comparing things wif jc and all and not ite..ok ..but tat's not really tat impt i gues.. whether who's smarter and who's not ..de point is..we poly peeps jus hope for lower transportation $$!!..ok ..so we are not student student lyk de jc n ite peeps ..and we are suppose to be tertiary students ..fine ...but tertiary students..arent exactly adult yet right?...still teenager and all..even if transitlink..doesnt wanna offer us de student student rate den at least offer us something cheaper than adult rate...and maybe slightly higher than de student student rate..if dat pleases everyone ..ya? afterall we ain't working adults yet... right? ... tat can also apply 4 de U students too ... and i tink tat ... dere shld b another msg board for ppl to haf deir say in tis whole matter... petition is for petition .. shldnt b used for those who jus wanna put deir pt of view (lyk myself rite now ).() ..and esp not for those who doesnt agree for lower fares for poly students .... =)
No.2857 Zhen Yang Ngee Ann polytechnic
Well as far as i'm concern this is a very sickening situation..I"m not biased against JC students or anything but one thing to note is that Poly school fees are already more expensive that those of a Jc student plus with the extra in fares its really unreasonable.Students are students be it tertiary or not so lets just be fair to everyone and get the same fare.One suggestion would be that the JC and Poly students pay the same rate which is slightly higher then the current student fare.
No.2858 Mary TP
i find it very ridiculous that even people who don't agree with this petition are signing it as well. how are we going to present this and convince them to lower our fees? to those who are reading this, please do not sign the petition if you don't agree with it. keep it to urself. anyway, what makes us so sure dat those who go poly are clever, and those hu go poly are stupid? i have friends who have scores that's capable of entering a JC, but they prefered the poly life. some see jc as a place to turn to when u have no idea what course to choose in poly, while others hu have a clear image of what they want to be, head straight for poly. being in jc or poly doesn't mean that u're any smarter or not. get what i mean? i agree with this topic that it's unfair for poly students and jc students to have different fares when all of us are just students. does being in poly mean that we're richer? the poly fees are enough to kill, and there's bus fares too. i do not understand why there's such a discrimination.
No.2862 Shaun Ngee Ann
OMG !! JW, i m surprised u are from NUS, cant u see that this petition is for POLYTECHNIC students? I dun think havin a younger brother means u r one.U can seriously go work for SBS le =) Yeah btw this is a petition AGAINST higher bus fare, if u want to write something else, go somewhere esle or even start ur own petition? Well fact is that we have to pay higher price for a bus fare when we are almost the same age as ppl from jc, Lets just be fair... lower the price plz....
No.2865 Joel Ngee Ann Polytechnic
Well my transporation to school includes a bus and a train ride.And each day i spend $4 on my transportaion costs.Which totals up to a "meagre" $80 a month.Even a pri 6 students can calculate how much more i spend as compared to a fare rate which is equal to that of a JC student.As for the tertiary student and JC student part, i have a case to answer.Since when does being smarter gives u the right to save more on transportaion cost and only a minority of you might be smarter than we poly students.Ok i won't be biased here but i do feel that quite a number of JC students come from a decent background if not wealthy so why the difference in fares?And as for those in the universities,i can justify ur claim about having to pay adult fare.Firstly for the guys, ALL of you had attended NS which means you have a certain amount of money in your banks. Secondly the undergrads are all nearing or already reached 21 which means u are an adult,hence adult fares.Period
No.2866 Lee Wen Liang Ngee Ann Poly
Can the govt or SMRT give us a reasonable answer to why we need to pay more taking the public transport? arent we the same as those students in JCs/CIs? we are all students, of which, majority of us are the same age(16-20). we are all studying to the sake of our homeland, SINGAPORE's future. by making us, poly students pay more, does it mean u provide better service for us?? MY ANSWER TO U IS A BIG NO. maybe wat i said was too farfetch. but, in the nutshell, i see no difference between JCs/CIs students and Poly students. WHY u make us pay more? if u tink that we can are growing adults and we can support ourselves by raising our fare, comparable to an adult, does that mean u are treating JCs/CIs students like a kid, by still maintaining their fare? maybe we need to debate on this issue.
No.2867 Lim Xui Ming Ngee Ann Poly
Lol, YeahJW you can also go work in bank lar, askin us to take up loan. SBS is really unfair as we are deemed adult just because we came poly, we didnt come poly to be adult but to seek the form of education we want, so if anyone who comes to poly are adults that means we shuld be entitled to R21 movies , buy beer etc etc just becuz we are adult. I just dun see the sense in us payin more compared to the jc ppls
[ownage comment]
No.2868 Joel Ngee Ann Polytechinic
I seriously wouldn't mind seeing this issue being addressed in the Straits Times forum or even better still the good old parliament.Ok i might be thinking too far ahead but i have reasons for it.Isn't the parliament supposed to be a meeting in which national issures are discussed?All those talk about the singapore economy,aren't we poly student and junior college students part of the future Singapore economy??If so,please satisfy us with a reason regarding the difference fares.I'll be happy if this petition gets notice from the Straits Times and to the author who started this petition,I salute you for speaking on behalf on the nation Polytechnic Students.
No.2869 JW NUS
well it seems that poly students cannot take constructive criticism. by getting angry that im adding views to this petition means u guys will probably get angry when this petition is thrown into the trash =)
btw you guys are amusing haha
No.2883 anonymous
This is more than a petition. This is one interesting forum. But hey, I don't think SMRT/SBS will be reading this. Come think of it, this petition thing is very much like a chain mail.
[OK this sentence sums it all]
No.2987 Ong Sze Yin SP
Juz to state a few points: JCs are definitely harder to get in. BUT poly isn’t that easi too. In fact,all students in my course are eligible for JCs but we all chose poly over JCs! We even have students with PERFECT score in my course. I myself also scored better than a lot of my JC frenz. So, poly or JC is just a matter of choice to many of us. So, dun stereotype! Poly today aren’t e same as in the 70’s.Poly students are like in between JCs and ITE. So, if they get their privilege, y can’t we get ours. In fact, I feel that all full-time students in Singapore should share the same privilege.
[yea, sweeping statements sweep us away.]
No.2989 Ong Sze Yin SP
sry missed out a point below. I strongly feel that we should all have the same privilege as JC students do. Even ITE N ITC(post ITE course) students are using student fare! Many ITC students are over 20 yrs old, working part-time and had served NS. Shouldn’t they be seen more like an adult? In fact, they ARE ADULTS. E only difference is, they are wearing uniform.
[YA HOR]
No.3030 JC NP
Mr JW admist all your somewhat controversial comments,i do have to admit that it do speaks some sense.But i have a few questions regarding your comments so please feel free to enlighten me on this topic.Firstly what is the difference between a Poly and a ITE student?From your previous posts,both the Poly and ITE student studies an advanced form of education and goes out to the workforce upon graduation is most cases,then why are the ITE students paying the student rates whereas Poly students have to bear the full rate?To me the only difference is that ITE students dons a uniform,ceteris paribus.But it doesn't seem logical to warrant a higher transportaion fee as implied from your previous post.
[Wah even ceteris paribus have to be used.. interesting.. :D]
Ok, lazy to post anymore but after reading many more pages, find that it has become an online flaming forum of some sorts, and some smart aleck people too.. I see very good comments and there's quite a few who make use of their economic concepts to get their point across.. :D
Anyway, people, go sign the petition if you agree with it, and if you don't, don't.
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